tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post1936016915081722751..comments2024-01-31T08:17:36.539-05:00Comments on 5chw4r7z: An open letter to Cincinnati officials on the streetcar5chw4r7zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00635910297238841220noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-53392664482469737212013-01-29T08:32:36.884-05:002013-01-29T08:32:36.884-05:00Tons and tons of studies, you should google some.
...Tons and tons of studies, you should google some.<br />But you can also see UC's study on the Cincinnati streetcar blog.5chw4r7zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635910297238841220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-5302282429799865222013-01-29T08:25:16.697-05:002013-01-29T08:25:16.697-05:00Bob, I guess bottom line for me is why are expensi...Bob, I guess bottom line for me is why are expensive rails better than tires? Are there studies that say they are cheaper to run, or increase rider numbers? vudutuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11140231284137484910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-72221777222941534432013-01-28T13:55:09.818-05:002013-01-28T13:55:09.818-05:00As is claiming that buses played a large part in k...As is claiming that buses played a large part in keeping downtown commerce moving.<br />Neither is a silver bullet, just another piece of the puzzle.5chw4r7zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635910297238841220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-6158639039172158732013-01-28T13:02:12.282-05:002013-01-28T13:02:12.282-05:00I think blaming the population decrease on the rem...I think blaming the population decrease on the removal of the streetcar system in the 1950's is a bit of a stretch. The exodus to the 'burbs was driven by the development of the interstate highways system in the '50's and '60's. Just as the exodus from the original basin neighborhoods was driven by the streetcar to the new "suburbs" like Hyde Park, Price Hill, Western Hills, Oakley, Walut Hills and others in prior decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-31700248421171244252013-01-28T12:20:55.249-05:002013-01-28T12:20:55.249-05:00Interesting take.
Of course since the streetcars w...Interesting take.<br />Of course since the streetcars were ripped out and replaced by buses the population of the city has declined every single year.<br />So there is that.<br />5chw4r7zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635910297238841220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-17919291146133565152013-01-28T12:03:57.498-05:002013-01-28T12:03:57.498-05:00In your statement you questioned "...what exa...In your statement you questioned "...what exactly have they (meaning buses) done for development?" <br /><br />The point is the wheels of commerce downtown have been kept turning, a least in part and a larger part than we-and in particular you-realize, by people who ride the bus to and from work everyday using the bus since at least 1951 (your point of reference). No buses/no people. No people/no commerce (development). Pretty simple. Not a single set of parallel steel rails involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-67677005735062584252013-01-28T11:44:40.909-05:002013-01-28T11:44:40.909-05:00OK, I guess. What point are you trying make? I'...OK, I guess. What point are you trying make? I'm lost.5chw4r7zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635910297238841220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-38551910859354874952013-01-28T11:35:09.289-05:002013-01-28T11:35:09.289-05:00I'm sorry I thought it was obvious.
Ask the...I'm sorry I thought it was obvious. <br /><br />Ask them this-"......Cincinnati has had buses running downtown since 1951, what exactly have they done for development?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-77185541760449148852013-01-28T11:23:25.906-05:002013-01-28T11:23:25.906-05:00ask them....??? what?ask them....??? what?5chw4r7zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635910297238841220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-2643953102360919312013-01-28T11:16:53.199-05:002013-01-28T11:16:53.199-05:00Maybe you should ask the people who get on and off...Maybe you should ask the people who get on and off the buses everyday at Goverment Square who work in the office buildings in a variety of tasks and hospitality service industry people who keep downtown and its visitors feed and in motion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-83506107842145646832013-01-28T09:30:17.923-05:002013-01-28T09:30:17.923-05:00Vudutu,
The streetcar's cost is equal to one l...Vudutu,<br />The streetcar's cost is equal to one lane mile of interstate. That 8 mile stretch of 75 they are working on is going to cost over 800 million.<br />As far as a trolley goes, Cincinnati has had buses running downtown since 1951, what exactly have they done for development?5chw4r7zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635910297238841220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-8178785884088890422013-01-28T09:18:40.548-05:002013-01-28T09:18:40.548-05:00My concern is the streetcar project is way expensi...My concern is the streetcar project is way expensive. I don't get the value over painting rails on the street to indicate the route on the street and running trolly's, like the Blue bus that runs between Covington and Cincinnati. Another alternative is a lot of cities are looking at aerial trams, the advantage is you also get a tourist attraction. You could probably do a three or four stop tram between Clifton and the riverfront and Blue bus multiple stop idea above for the same price as the streetcar. <br /><br />http://publictransport.about.com/od/Transit_Vehicles/a/The-Use-Of-Gondola-Lifts-And-Aerial-Trams-In-Public-Transportation.htm vudutuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11140231284137484910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-80496568260458139052013-01-24T20:17:00.463-05:002013-01-24T20:17:00.463-05:00Anyone have any luck contacting Duke Energy? If s...Anyone have any luck contacting Duke Energy? If so, by what means?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-47639488459864239542013-01-24T16:34:30.650-05:002013-01-24T16:34:30.650-05:00We choose to build this streetcar before the All-S...We choose to build this streetcar before the All-Star Game and do the other things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-83463162038797204792013-01-24T15:59:17.607-05:002013-01-24T15:59:17.607-05:00Agree Giacomo. You know ultimately the city owns t...Agree Giacomo. You know ultimately the city owns the streets and could rail right over Duke's lines if it came to that. One other question. Are road projects ever delayed because Duke won't come out and move poles?derek Baumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08079547905862665595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-89938372602113379882013-01-24T15:35:20.730-05:002013-01-24T15:35:20.730-05:00Great thinking, there. In fact, Anonymous's re...Great thinking, there. In fact, Anonymous's remark up above mine brings out a good point - Duke's cockblocking may have a seriously adverse effect on the city as a whole come All Star Game time. On revenue, on the economy, everything. That -might- be grounds for a lawsuit (I'm no lawyer), or at the very least some political strong-arming by city council.matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04375991799590693149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-18059124594153777612013-01-24T15:29:15.823-05:002013-01-24T15:29:15.823-05:00I was referencing the perceived economic impact in...I was referencing the perceived economic impact in the studies done to evaluate the streetcar.<br /><br />Borrowing costs have gone down, but were never presented as part of the total cost of the package until it came time for the issuance of the first set of bonds early this past summer.<br /><br />Construction costs have indeed gone up. Even at this late date the total cost of the utilities relocation and most importantly who is paying for them-specifcally the Duke portion-it is not known who is paying for them. When the full system was proposed it was stated that the relocation of utilities for the original system that would run up to Clifton would cost $5 million. Now with the much truncated shorter system the Duke portion appears to be around $18.5 million and heading for a resolution in a court room. I think that could qualify for a change in construction costs and definately not cheaper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-77713013115963149232013-01-24T15:12:23.964-05:002013-01-24T15:12:23.964-05:002015 is Cincy's chance. Just do, and get in tr...2015 is Cincy's chance. Just do, and get in trouble for it later.Night Drophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429909771607734254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-87985633281234490082013-01-24T15:04:30.810-05:002013-01-24T15:04:30.810-05:00What information has changed? Construction and bor...What information has changed? Construction and borrowing costs are both cheaper than before the recession began.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07340621280754914212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-92146362162442781742013-01-24T14:37:04.395-05:002013-01-24T14:37:04.395-05:00Write both parties, put pressure on Duke stating t...Write both parties, put pressure on Duke stating that you and many other people are also writing to the city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-54482699870818350992013-01-24T14:12:45.863-05:002013-01-24T14:12:45.863-05:00The big push for the streetcar was based on inform...The big push for the streetcar was based on information generated 2-3 years before the recession began and then the trigger was pulled. <br /><br />Poor timing and bad information. Not a good combination for success now several years latter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-22031223148726901572013-01-24T13:58:44.947-05:002013-01-24T13:58:44.947-05:00While I agree that people ought to be writing to D...While I agree that people ought to be writing to Duke Energy in droves, what the heck is Duke gonna do? They have a monopolistic stranglehold on the entire tri-state because WE ALL NEED OUR LIGHTS ON. Does Duke need to give a damn? Nope, they don't. The only thing that is going to move Duke's ass out of the way is something legal. Which means writing to the city.matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04375991799590693149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-83296014144740684552013-01-24T13:09:07.114-05:002013-01-24T13:09:07.114-05:00You guys should be emailing these things to Duke. ...You guys should be emailing these things to Duke. Read the bid document, it's clear the entire delay is due to Duke. Every thing else about the entire line could be done by late 2014 but Duke has said it will take them 2 years to move utilities. Yell at Duke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-76525421022083513122013-01-24T12:57:31.220-05:002013-01-24T12:57:31.220-05:00What I would like to see is the mayor pounding his...What I would like to see is the mayor pounding his fist on a podium stating that due to the fact that Cincinnati has been afforded this once in a generation opportunity to host the MLB all star game, he is directing the administration to accelerate the construction schedule and take the necessary steps to ensure that Cincinnati will have an operational streetcar in time for the game. No excuses!derek Baumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08079547905862665595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5174432287932211168.post-3528535005637227872013-01-24T12:41:21.712-05:002013-01-24T12:41:21.712-05:00^^^ ...and this is my concern. Quimbob, I know the...^^^ ...and this is my concern. Quimbob, I know the world was a wildly different place when the subway project started, and a lot of different factors led to it's ultimate demise. However, these delays allow for the possibility of a new party, who is opposed to the project, to take office and scratch the streetcar. It might not be the best comparison, but it was a major mass transit project that took place right here in our city and failed. alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06376531796133438771noreply@blogger.com